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Obama’s health care plan? Be afraid, very afraid. by The Elephant's Child

Do you understand that Barack Obama’s health insurance plan will become universal health care ( the euphemistic name for socialized medicine)?  Democrats are committed to converting Americans to some form of universal health care.  They claim it will be cheaper, (it won’t). They claim it will be more efficient (it won’t).  They claim you will be happier with it (you won’t).  It is a power thing.  Democrats want the power over the American economy that the adoption of socialized medicine would provide.

Hawaii has just provided us with an example of how this works.

Hawaii is dropping the only state universal child health care program in the country just seven months after it launched.

Gov. Linda Lingle’s administration cited budget shortfalls and other available health care options for eliminating funding for the program.  A state official said families were dropping private coverage so their children would be eligible for the subsidized plan.

“People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for free,” said Dr. Kenny Fink, the administrator for Med-QUEST at the Department of Human Services, “I don’t believe that was the intent of the program.”

I have written often on socialized medicine, for many people do not understand why it is to be feared.  I tried to point out why it is doomed to failure for you here, I have often referred to Canadian universal health care and the British National Health Service, but we recently received a comment from “U.S. Frog” who is living in France and experiencing the wonders of the French version of universal health care:

I live in France and I know all about “socialized medicine”. For one thing it’s NOT FREE. When you work, 12.5 % comes out of your pay check for health insurance. That is just the basic. Then you have to pay for a secondary insurance yourself. If you have income from property, you will be subject to a “generalized social contribution” of 10 % on whatever that income is. Now, none of these payments are INCOME TAX. You pay for income tax in addition to these and that is just YOUR part. Then you have Value added tax which is something like sales tax. That is 19.6 % of the cost of most articles except you don’t see it because it is added to the price of the article before you buy it. (It would be a shock to any French person to go to the cash register and have the cashier ring up another 19.6% in sales tax, so they add it on beforehand). So you see, this system is VERY EXPENSIVE and I haven’t mentioned the tax on interest and dividends etc. Saying it is free is a DOWNRIGHT LIE. And we have the same problems as the British in the state of hospitals: long waiting lists, superbugs, underpaid doctors (so they ask for under the table payments) etc. etc. The US health insurance system definitely needs a reform but believe me, socialized medicine IS NOT THE SOLUTION.Do take the warnings of other seriously.

‘Universal Health Care’ and ‘Single-‘Payer Health Care’ are simply alternative names chosen to be more palatable for socialized medicine. A rose by any other name… There is a reason for all those aphorisms and warnings that our mothers and grandmothers gave us.  They represent the guardrails of life, and we ignore them at our peril.


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Poor people will be there. At the doctor’s office. There with you. Be very, very afraid. 🙂

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Comment by helenl

Oh Helen, Your heart is in the right place, it’s just your facts that are wrong. Of course everyone wants to see everyone able to have health care. Where did you get the idiotic idea that Republicans have something against poor people? The problem is that socialized medicine just plain doesn’t work. It works for a while, but inevitably, the requirement becomes for the government to reduce costs. Doctors are paid less, nurses are paid less, fewer people choose those as careers. Pharmaceutical companies quit making expensive drugs for rare conditions. As in Britain, hospitals begin using dirty sheets, just turning them over. Superbugs infest hospitals, so people are afraid to go. In time only those who have no choice will go there — the poor. Some English hospitals keep patients parked in ambulances outside the hospital because there are rules that designate how soon they must be treated after arrival. Did you read the description of French health care? Read my own explanation here https://americanelephant.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/why-socialized-medicine-goes-bustevery-time/

The only people who find socialized medicine satisfactory are people who do not get sick.

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Comment by The Elephant's Child

Hey wait a minute, don’t be over-generalizing my demographic AE…I don’t get sick, not even colds….and I don’t find socialized medicine as satisfactory!! LOL

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Comment by Mike Lovell

I’d remind you Helen, that the poor are covered by Medicaid. Even the near poor are covered by other programs.

The fact is that Democrats are once again lying to Americans, demagoguing the issue and making disingenuous appeals to emotion in order to increase their power.

The numbers of people who are uninsured include millions and millions of illegal immigrants, milllions upon millions of college students and other young people who feel invincible who would rather spend their money on music, beer and other entertainment, millions of people who are in-between health care plans for short periods of time, and millions upon millions of the very wealthy who would rather pay for health-care out of pocket because they actually save money that way.

Virtually NO ONE is uninsured because they can’t afford insurance. As I said, the poor are already covered by Medicaid. Indeed, SCHIPS covers children of people who make up to $80,000.

Do you want to pay for Rush Limbaugh’s health care? He and millions like him are among the uninsured you know.

And why should hard working Americans, struggling to make ends meet and who play by the rules and pay for their own insurance also pay to insure illegal immigrants and tens of millions of people who are perfectly able to pay for their own insurance, but choose not to?

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Comment by American Elephant

Thats cus you have your head screwed on right Mike 😉

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Comment by American Elephant

How selfish and greedy do you all sound?! All people deserve to be covered. I don’t know where you live but in my city, poor people are not covered, and are usual mentally unstable forced out hospitals once they cant pay. Stop whining. Our soldiers go over sees and fight for ALL of us, and you are concerned about POSSIBLY paying a small amount of money for someone’s health care you don’t know. What does it mean to be American? I cant believe what I am reading you all sound like scared little punks, what happen to sacrifice!?! Brotherhood, sisterhood?!

We are AMERICANS we can make anything work!

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Comment by bond2010

Bond,

We don’t sound selfish or greedy at all. Indeed, study after study shows that conservatives are FAR more generous with both their time and money than are liberals. I would also point out, Bond, that being “generous” with other people’s money, as you are doing, is not being generous at all.

Conservatives are more than happy to provide health care for those who truly cannot provide for themselves. But that is not what this is about.

This is about freedom and this is about what WORKS.

Contrary to your claim, we cant make anything work. Social Security doesnt work. Its broke. Medicare doesnt work, its broke. The post office doesnt work, its broke. Amtrak doesnt work, its broke. And we certainly couldnt make Democrats policy of making banks give home loans to people who couldnt afford to repay them work. That caused the economic crisis we are now in.

I know results don’t matter to liberals, but they matter to everyone else.

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Comment by American Elephant

I appreciate your comment Elephant. But where there are pitfalls there are successes. One could argue on either side who is responsible for the failures in our system. What is important is that we learn from these issues. Failure is a learning process apart of every circle of life. I refuse to believe that America can’t learn, adapt and change for the better. Rather than come up with solutions, people would much rather spread fear.

What I meant when I said as “Americans we can make anything work” is that we have full capability of finding solutions. We are (I would hope) the most privileged country in the world. Just because it’s broke doesn’t mean we can’t fix it.

I will not blame any specific party for the economic crisis that we are in. What can be taken from the past is the lesson we learned from it. We should all move forward together. Pointing fingers is frankly juvenile and a waste of time.

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Comment by bond2010

Learning from past mistakes is exactly what we are doing and exactly what you are proposing we shouldn’t do!

History proves that socialized health-care doesn’t work. As Margaret Thatcher famously said, the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money. And the reason socialized medicine will never work is that healthy people are unwilling to pay as much for health care as the people who need it are. But you dont want to learn from the past, you dont want to learn from other’s mistakes — mistakes they are all working to undo — you want to repeat them!

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