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In the “Office of the President-elect”, Oddities Abound. by The Elephant's Child

The Office of the President-elect  has announced that his first efforts when he takes office will be to undo many of George W. Bush’s executive orders and replace them with his own.  This seems to me to be an unusually classless announcement, for someone who claimed that he would bring unity to Washington.

Most important, it seems, is to block any drilling on lands in Utah where new oil leases were approved by the Department of Interior.  Following close behind is allowing federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research.

There are some strange things going on here that seem puzzling. Apparently, Obama believes all the rude things he said about the Bush administration during the campaign.  Bush Derangement Syndrome lives.  My guess is that Liberals believe that — the evil Bush, because of his fundamentalist religion, and his antipathy to science, has prevented all the wonderful cures that might come from exploiting the promise of embryonic stem cell treatments — or something like that. They seem not to have noticed that adult stem cells are delivering on all that promise.

Embryonic stem cells, as I understand it, have monumental problems with rejection and with turning rapidly into cancer cells, problems that may not be able to be overcome.  Venture capital funds are not readily available because there are so many problems and so little proof of potential.  Adult stem cells are taken from the patient’s own body, so there is no problem with rejection.  They can be teased into becoming pluripotent, that is adapting to any cell in the body.  Scientists have been working with adult stem cells for decades and have had many, many successes.  Embryonic stem cells have not yet been used for even one therapy.

The astonishing advances that have helped to restore bladder and muscle control to patients with paralysis, heart patients that have been helped, hope for people with Parkinson’s, remission for patients with multiple sclerosis are not of interest to liberals.  They believe that only religious extremism stands in the way of vast advances with stem cell treatment.  And they are sure that as soon as embryonic stem-cell treatment is funded by the taxpayers there will be help for patients with paralysis, help for heart patients , hope for people with Parkinson’s and remission for patients with multiple sclerosis.  Oh, do I repeat myself? They do not care that we are well under way for finding cures for these conditions, or they don’t know, or it’s just the “wrong” cure.

Isn’t this odd? Never mind the bird in the hand, go for the one in the bush — quick, quick, before he gets away.

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That is a weak defense of your argument.

Let’s assume for a moment that there are technical problems with embryonic stem cells. Why not let the market & industry sort it out among the various alternatives. Why should the federal goverment be partial.


Comment by Naveen

Is it odd? No, you’re just an idiot.


Comment by W4Obama

The market is exactly where embryonic stem cell research has failed. Nobody wants to invest in it because they don’t see any return on their investment.

You may be under the mistaken impression, as many people are, that President Bush banned embryonic stem cell research. He did not. All he prohibited was government investment in acquiring further embryos, above and beyond the lines they already possess.

No one in the private sector has been prohibited from doing anything. They simply cant get anyone to invest in it anymore because after decades of research, embryonic stem cell research has produced absolutely nothing but rejection, tumors and death (in animals). After decades of research, there have been no trials that even progressed past animals because they have all been deemed too dangerous to try on humans. There have been a grand total of ZERO cures, and ZERO treatments that resulted from embryonic stem cell research.

But the larger point is, why even bother? We can already make pluripotent cells from people’s own stem cells. There have been a great many treatments and cures developed from adult stem cell research, with many more on the way. In other words, there is nothing that embryonic stem cells could possibly do that adult stem cells aren’t already doing or show vastly more potential for doing.

Something else you might not be aware of is that to actually administer a cure or treatment from either kind of stem cells requires millions of cells for just one patient. With adult stem cell research, these cells come from the patient themselves, if embryos ever managed to get around to actually providing a viable treatment, it would take millions of embryonic stem cells just for one patient. Imagine how many it would take to treat everyone. But those embryonic stem cells must be taken from embryos and/or cloned. Billions, or more of them.

Why would anyone want to create and destroy millions of embryos when adult stem cells work far better?

The answer is simple. And it doesn’t have anything to do with treatments or cures — its already apparent, from the lack of willingness of the private sector to fund research, that the promise simply isn’t there — it has to do with billions of dollars in federal grants. Anywhere you have that much money in question, you bet people are going to be trying to get their hands on it — even if it means giving people in need false hope.


Comment by American Elephant


You sure showed us! What staggering brilliance! Even before seeing your name I was certain you must be an Obama supporter with an intellect like that!


Comment by American Elephant

This is what I lvoe about mainstream media influence. Everyone assumes that we have banned embryonic stem cell research. They don’t realize that this just simply isn’t true, and all we did was forcibly keep the government from wasting our money.
And of course, they try to use free-market economics against us, without the realization that free-market economics worked perfectly in its purest form, and that is exactly why stem cell researchers can’t get the money for studying the embryonic end of things. And like many, they take someone else’s argument that since the impassioned argument couldn’t work in teh market, that somehow the government should and will fix the problems. I hate to tell people this, becauze the thought of their self-esteem being ruined by the truth just might break my heart but, a failure is a failure, and can’t be forced externally to become a success.


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